The House committee investigatingis holding its fifth public hearing on Thursday, this time focusing on former President Donald Trump’s efforts to pressure the Justice Department into nullifying the 2020 election.
Witnesses will include former acting attorney general Jeffrey Rosen; former Acting Deputy Attorney General Richard Donoghue; and former Assistant Attorney General Steven Engel. Donoghue testified before the committee that Trump suggested replacing Rosen with a former Justice Department official.
TUSEN News confirmed Clark’s home was raided Wednesday morning. TUSEN News had confirmed that federal investigators had served subpoenas and were showing up at locations linked to people who may have been involved in efforts to use “disabled voters.”
Representative Elaine Luria told TUSEN News on her way into the courtroom that Clark would be “the focus of today’s hearing.” She said she did not know about the search of her home in advance.
Engel, according to the testimony obtained, will also say that Trump had “every right” to sue, but in the absence of credible evidence, the DOJ did not get involved in campaign contests.
Yet Engel will testify that Clark “took a different view.”
“Mr. Clark believed the department should publicly assert that the election results were tainted with fraud and should urge several states to replace their previously certified voters,” Engel is expected to say.
Rosen, the former acting attorney general, will tell the committee that the DOJ “maintained the position that the department had received no evidence of widespread fraud on a scale sufficient to change the outcome of the 2020 election,” according to the testimony obtained by TUSEN News.
“Some argued to the former president and the public that the election was corrupt and stolen,” Rosen is expected to say. “That view was wrong then and it is wrong now, and I hope our presence here today helps reaffirm that fact.”
Committee aides said the committee would argue that Trump only failed because the Justice Department’s leadership team threatened to resign. There could potentially be a video of Clark’s meeting with the committee, during which he argued the Fifth Amendment.
Earlier Thursday, documentary filmmaker Alex Holder met with the committee behind closed doors. Holder told reporters after the meeting that he had provided all documents requested by the committee and would continue to cooperate. He tweeted that he had an interview with Trump before Jan. 6 and two after, but declined to say what the former president’s video showed.
According to the New York Times, Ivanka Trump told the camera crew in mid-December 2020 that the former president should “keep fighting until all legal avenues are exhausted,” which differed from his testimony before the select committee. TUSEN News confirmed the Times account.
In her interview with House investigators that was shown in previous public hearings, Ivanka Trump said she “accepts” then-lawyer Bill Barr’s conclusion that there is no had no widespread fraud in the 2020 election.
Asked about the inconsistencies between Ivanka Trump’s comments to the camera crew and her testimony before the select committee, Holder said there were “certainly differences in the things she’s saying.”
Russell Smith, Holder’s attorney, said there were “inconsistencies” in Ivanka Trump’s remarks.
“That’s why we cooperate with the committee, and they can determine whether there was perjury or something less than that,” Smith told reporters.
Thursday’s hearing is the fifth public hearing to date by the House Select Committee, which has been investigating the attack for 11 months. Previous public hearings have focused on other Trump lobbying campaigns, including state lawmakers and election officials and Vice President Mike Pence.